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GLOW vs KLOW for a 50k block, is the KPV actually moving the needle or am I overcomplicating it

Posted by grinder265 in Protocols & Stacks - 5 points, 5 comments.

Running a 50k prep block right now, lots of downhill miles so my knees and achilles are getting cooked. I ran a Wolverine stack last training cycle (bpc + tb500, bpc daily, tb500 twice a week) and it seemed to help, recovery between sessions felt smoother, could just be placebo ngl.

Thinking about stepping up to GLOW this time since I want the skin/collagen angle too, I run in sun a lot and noticed my skin taking a beating. But part of me wants to just go straight to KLOW and add KPV for the inflammation piece.

Here is my question for anyone who has run both. Did you actually notice a difference adding KPV to the GLOW base, or does it feel like the bpc is already covering that anti inflammatory job well enough? I am trying to keep pin frequency reasonable since I am injecting daily already on the bpc.

Also for dosing math, the profiles list ghk-cu 200mcg daily in both stacks, is that actually what people run or do you front load and taper? Curious what has worked for people mid training block vs post race.

Comments

  • runner_aaron: Honestly for me KPV was the bit that made the knees feel noticeably less grumpy on long downhills, bpc alone wasn't cutting it by week 3 of the block. But I also dropped tb500 from the stack when I went GLOW so I can't fully separate the two. GHK-Cu I just ran flat 200mcg daily the whole block, no point tapering for me mid training. Post race I pulled everything except collagen and vit C anyway. Pin frequency is real, I'd rather add one more syringe than stack four things. Did you keep tb500 in
  • grinder265: Tb500 came out when I jumped to GLOW, swapped it for KPV since I figured the thymosin beta was doing similar repair work to the ghk-cu and collagen side of things. Keeping daily bpc and the kpv is already 2 pins a day so adding tb500 back would push me to 3, no thanks. Interesting you felt bpc alone wasnt enough on the downhills by week 3, thats exactly the window im worried about. Did you frontload kpv or just go daily from day 1 of the block?
  • weekendnate: Honestly for me KPV was the bit that made the knees feel noticeably less grumpy on long downhills, bpc alone wasn't cutting it by week 3 of the block. But I also dropped tb500 from the stack when I went GLOW so I can't fully separate the two. GHK-Cu I just ran flat 200mcg daily the whole block, no point tapering for me mid training. Post race I pulled everything except collagen and vit C anyway. Pin frequency is real, I'd rather add one more syringe than stack four things. Did you keep tb500 in
  • grinder265: Yeah nate thats actually super useful, the week 3 thing lines up with what I remember from last block where the bpc kinda stops feeling like its doing enough by then. So you went GLOW minus tb500 plus KPV, got it. Plan is to keep tb500 twice a week for the achilles since thats been the slowest healer for me, then add KPV on top of the GLOW base and see if knees calm down in the back half of the block. Ghk-cu 200 daily same as you, no taper mid block makes sense. One more pin a day is fine hone
  • jade494: Tb500 twice weekly for achilles seems reasonable, and keeping GHK-Cu at 200 daily is what I have seen people mention as a common research range. For KPV, from what I have read it usually takes a few weeks of consistent use before people report noticing anything. I am interested in this compound myself but still in the early days of learning, so take that with a grain of salt. Did your skin show any visible improvement on GHK-Cu, or was it more of a subtle thing over time?

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