Bronchogen bioregulator – anyone stacking it alongside KLOW for a long ultra?

Posted by runner_aaron in Protocols & Stacks - 7 points, 4 comments.

Howzit. Prepping for a long ultra in a few months and my lungs are usually the weak link at altitude. I've been running a KLOW-style protocol for the last cycle, but I'm thinking of adding a Bronchogen course in the lead-up week, alongside the regenerative stack.

The idea is keep the KLOW going for tissue recovery between big training blocks, and just slot in a short Bronchogen course (maybe 10 to 14 days) a few weeks out from race day. Not running them on the same day, just sequencing.

Has anyone here actually stacked a Khavinson-style bioregulator with BPC/TB-500 type peptides? Worried mainly about overlap or whether the short half-life on Bronchogen means I need to time it away from anything else. Also curious if anyone noticed any difference in breathing at load or if it was just placebo tbh.

Bloods and lung baseline are done. Will check in with my doc before I commit. Keen to hear what others have tried.

Comments

• tiredmira: I'm mostly a tendon/gut person, not so much the lung side, but I did run a short Bronchogen block before a trail event last fall. For me it was 10 days, morning only, and I didn't notice anything on day to day breathing. The thing I did notice was how I felt during the longer climbs, like less of that burning heaviness in the chest around hour 4. I didn't stack it with anything though, I kept it isolated so I could actually tell what was doing what. With KLOW already in the mix I think sequenc
• runner_aaron: Tbh that timing thing is exactly why I was leaning towards sequencing it. Keeping it isolated makes sense if you actually want to know what did what, fair point. So you noticed more around the long climbs specifically, not day to day. Was that from like week 1 or did it only kick in later in the block? And did it carry over after you stopped, or did it fade pretty quick once the Bronchogen was done? Trying to figure out where to slot the 10 to 14 days relative to race day.
• fasted_scientist: Fair play on the isolation approach, that is genuinely how you figure out if something is doing anything. Ngl though, hour 4 is a long time to not be getting any training adaptation benefits anyway, so it could just as easily be the conditioning kicking in by then. Did you run any similar climbs without the Bronchogen in training to compare?
• runner_aaron: Tbh fair point on the conditioning angle, I didn't run a clean control climb so it could easily be the aerobic base catching up. Only did one altitude session before starting it though so Bronchogen was honestly the main variable I changed in that window. Will keep it in mind for the next block, maybe do an A/B on two similar efforts a week apart.

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